Salt Lake Marching and Chowder Club

Minutes of the Salt Lake City Marching and Chowder Club                                                    11/24/15

Prepared by Lauren Smith


President, John Shannon; 

Secretary, Lauren Smith; 

Vice President, Charlotte Mates; 

University of Utah Student, Nate Rockwood; 

Salt Lake City Police Department, Josh Scharman;

Salt Lake City Police Department, J. Eddie Cameron;

Homeless Scenarios

All-inclusive campus

Scattered Facilities

Scattered shelters with centralized facilities

Scattered facilities is the choice that has been adopted for Utah. Good because the women, men and families will be separated. Good because everyone will go through the same intake process and can be placed according their needs. Good because other Utah cities can share the responsibility. Good because it will save money in the long run.


Specialized transport system could be used to get individuals to other campuses if they needed to go.

The Road Home is an emergency shelter not designed for long term occupants. It is not for sustainability.

Housing people is hard and takes a lot of time.

Centralized process doesn’t work because you can’t have kids near sex offenders, alcoholics around drinking, etc.

There are several specialized campuses in the state that have very low impact on the community such as YWCA and Odyssey House.

Rio Grande area has become a social scene where drug and sex trafficking occur.

There are 2 main gangs

The Hondurans (the kids are especially in danger and/or dangerous. They have a lot to gain and little to lose here. There is greed because the amount of money that can be made on the streets is a fortune compared to in their native country and in some cases their families are being threatened. Arrest is a small price to pay either way).

Everybody else (rivals)

It is intimidating to see menacing people such as those with hoodies or blankets covering their heads. Some members of the general public may think that neighborhoods will stay bad or get worse with scattered facilities

It would be easier to control crime in scattered facilities and people who are no longer homeless would still be able to visit friends and relatives there.

Human and drug trafficking will never be eliminated entirely, so that is not a goal that is made.

The way things are, a vacuum is created whenever more drug arrests are made. There will always be a rival group that will take over to sell drugs as long as there are people doing the drugs.

As things are now, people/subgroups can’t be lined up in order of power or importance because there are so many cliques and so many different types of criminals.

People need to have a viable alternative to get better

There is fear among and between subgroups. Empowering individuals will only work if the right people/subgroups are empowered, otherwise things could get much worse.

Subgroups must be somewhat divided before serious issues can be addressed.

All we need is a group of people who want to do better to start making a difference near Rio Grande. We can’t help every vulnerable individual at once.

Prostitutes are kept in line with drugs. Vulnerable people could use the buddy system when they are in a bad situation.

Social worker Lana Dalton is hired and 7 more are budgeted for. The hiring process is very long.

There is a glass storefront next to Spyhop that will be used as Lana’s office and later a police substation.

Could ads for unpaid interns/volunteers be posted in newspapers and/or social media sites?

Nate suggests getting help from college kids because they need volunteer hours to graduate anyway.

Start with students volunteering in soup kitchens so that more would want to get involved.

Maybe college students could volunteer to speak at Junior High assemblies in the future. Kids are more likely to listen to people their own age. Students could talk about their bright futures and could be mentors.

It would be great to get help from people who have been on the streets and/or addicted but have risen above those issues.

Peers can’t be on the City/State/County payroll even for minimum wage if they can’t pass a background check.

Older students, grads and peers could volunteer to talk to people in scattered facilities to show them how they can come back from hardship.


Smaller groups are less “edgy” and there is a much better chance that people in the Rio Grande area will start acting better if some of the subgroups are broken up.

The problems in the Rio Grande district need to be smaller to get people to be involved with   community outreach.